Brakes Upgrade?!?

Brakes Upgrade?!?

Postby Nooblishly on Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:36 pm

Afternoon boys and girls,

Looking for some help in the brakes department, in regards to upgrading them.

Anyone done this on a 2016 triton exceed, I am over the burning smell even when jake braking. Maybe I have been riding a bike for too long and I am doing it wrong, should I be running in 4HLc or just stay in 2H and keep revs around 3-3.5k revs whilst on steep downhill roads.

But I digress, yeah so any help in upgrading the brakes would be awesome.

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Re: Brakes Upgrade?!?

Postby bdrjnr on Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:56 pm

I got a set of braided brake lines from ultimate susspension. Also changed rotors to cross drilled and slotted. And upgraded brake pads and brake fluid.

Never had any issues. Going down some pretty step long hills no issues.

When I replace pads will change rotors to some of the dba t3.

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Re: Brakes Upgrade?!?

Postby jerrah on Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:04 pm

I have braided brake lines. It improves feel but I don't think it will help with the stinky brakes. Being in 4wd or 2wd shouldn't make much difference to running away. I don't own an auto but could you use sport mode or something to "jake brake" as you say?

Is it just a smell of brakes or are the brakes fading? You could go larger rotors but you'd need to space the callipers.
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Re: Brakes Upgrade?!?

Postby BillMcQuade on Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:41 am

Well, there's no compression (Jacobs) brake on the Triton, and these diesels run "low compression" engines, so you won't get the same level of engine braking as you may be used to from older diesels.

Try picking a lower gear and see how that goes. For example, I use 3rd gear down most of Mount Ousley, and it holds at 80kph just fine. Occasionally I have to grab 4th to maintain speed on the slightly less steep sections, and then It's back to third. It doesn't over-rev,a and it's rare that I have to touch the brake or the accelerator.
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Re: Brakes Upgrade?!?

Postby Nooblishly on Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:41 pm

I have the revs sitting around 3.5k revs and redline at 4, so not much more I can do in the engine braking department, hence using more brakes.

Might just invest to get rid of the shitty brakes.

And yes I get brake fade.
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Re: Brakes Upgrade?!?

Postby MilkmanDan on Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:35 pm

If you could put a Pajero hub on the fronts you could run larger calipers/rotors. Would need the splines of the front driveshafts to also match.

I'd be keen to give it a look if I had spare time
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Re: Brakes Upgrade?!?

Postby Dilligara on Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:34 am

Try some good pads, don't ride the brakes, use the gears
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Re: Brakes Upgrade?!?

Postby TUFF TROOP on Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:13 pm

slotted and drilled rotors, decent pads and fluid youll be right
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Re: Brakes Upgrade?!?

Postby FuzzyBear on Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:53 pm

Are talking about off road or on road steep hills?

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Re: Brakes Upgrade?!?

Postby Saliya on Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:09 pm

BillMcQuade wrote:Well, there's no compression (Jacobs) brake on the Triton, and these diesels run "low compression" engines, so you won't get the same level of engine braking as you may be used to from older diesels.

Try picking a lower gear and see how that goes. For example, I use 3rd gear down most of Mount Ousley, and it holds at 80kph just fine. Occasionally I have to grab 4th to maintain speed on the slightly less steep sections, and then It's back to third. It doesn't over-rev,a and it's rare that I have to touch the brake or the accelerator.


I second this comment. 3rd in steeper conditions, 4th otherwise
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Re: Brakes Upgrade?!?

Postby MilkmanDan on Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:11 am

TUFF TROOP wrote:slotted and drilled rotors, decent pads and fluid youll be right


drilled rotors crack, the holes are a weak spot. Slotted or dimpled ate the go
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Re: Brakes Upgrade?!?

Postby L200Shogun on Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:40 am

I asked a question on a WA Challenger page about brake upgrades.
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Rotors are for the paj/triton and the challenger they have the same hubs. And currently using the challenger caliper with the paj caliper bracket. Really all you need is the caliper bracket of a 314mm rotor to upgrade.


I asked a rally car driver about brakes. The answer was solid rotors work better.

An Engineer who tests pad compounds at Bendix in Ballarat wrote in a forum.
He did testing for a car company. Provided braking is within a small percentage of standard re certification is not needed. He found that the slotted (or cross drilled) actually performed slightly worse than standard rotors.

In a 4wd holes and slots hold dirt causing more pad wear.

In high end race cars holes/slots allow super heated gas to escape from between pad and rotor. Not so much a problem in 4WD

but as always YMMV
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Re: Brakes Upgrade?!?

Postby emjayar on Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:36 pm



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Re: Brakes Upgrade?!?

Postby MilkmanDan on Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:01 pm

L200Shogun wrote:I asked a question on a WA Challenger page about brake upgrades.
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Rotors are for the paj/triton and the challenger they have the same hubs. And currently using the challenger caliper with the paj caliper bracket. Really all you need is the caliper bracket of a 314mm rotor to upgrade.


I asked a rally car driver about brakes. The answer was solid rotors work better.

An Engineer who tests pad compounds at Bendix in Ballarat wrote in a forum.
He did testing for a car company. Provided braking is within a small percentage of standard re certification is not needed. He found that the slotted (or cross drilled) actually performed slightly worse than standard rotors.

In a 4wd holes and slots hold dirt causing more pad wear.

In high end race cars holes/slots allow super heated gas to escape from between pad and rotor. Not so much a problem in 4WD

but as always YMMV


Is this only the current model paj sport?

I'd love a set of NS--NW series Pajero fronts on my triton
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Re: Brakes Upgrade?!?

Postby ag9111 on Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:36 pm

A bit more info would be good L200. Models etc
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Re: Brakes Upgrade?!?

Postby NowForThe5th on Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:31 pm

MilkmanDan wrote:I'd love a set of NS--NW series Pajero fronts on my triton


Will they fit? Only the later ones have the 4 pot calipers and they are what makes such a big dofference.
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Re: Brakes Upgrade?!?

Postby MilkmanDan on Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:38 pm

NowForThe5th wrote:
MilkmanDan wrote:I'd love a set of NS--NW series Pajero fronts on my triton


Will they fit? Only the later ones have the 4 pot calipers and they are what makes such a big dofference.


I'm not sure, have done plenty of googling and can't find anything with hub drawings to compare. Wheel offset would be easy to get around so is entirely possible
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