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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby Ozzybucket on Thu May 03, 2018 6:53 am

srb wrote:
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snakesoup wrote:I like the way you think Bill, I think the combustion gas test is a great idea, can you tell us more about this teekay test ?
short of doing what your going to manage this bill, would it be viable to pull the head and have a looksie and confirm it one way or the other ?


Here is the Teekay, you can buy them from Repco;

http://wbtools.com.au/products/automoti ... -detector/

As for pulling the head, If you pull the head and find nothing, it's an expensive exercise. If you pull the head yourself and find an issue, I bet MMA will put you through the wringer for warranty. however, they can't deny the results of a Teekay test, as they probably (should be!) doing this themselves before deciding to pull the head.

I could be wrong here but I think the Teekay test isn't really going to tell you anything unless your block is already leaking... I bet there's heaps of faulty MN engines in service that would never show up in this test. The only time this test may confirm a problem is if you already suspect the issue, such small coolant loss, pressurised overflow bottle ect.

As for the higher rated cap pressure, 2.6psi combined with less thermal conductivity from the new coolant ratio... Hmmm Mitsubishi has implemented this to put extra stress on the block in the hope that it will weed out the weaker engines. Obviously this HAS put substantial stress on the rest of the cooling system ancillaries. Already we have seen members here with blown hoses and cracked radiators.

Despite what MMAL have said about the newer MN engines being "fixed" Sorry to burst everyone's bubble here but I believe that ALL the 2.5 MNs engines have the defective blocks. Just at varying levels of poor quality. Would explain why the new MNs still retain the higher pressure cap and 50% ratio coolant. Tick tick go all the MNs.

Just my opinion though.

I totally agree "..... All the 2.5 MNS engines have defective engine blocks". I was told it was I in 4 with the faulty engine blocks by the service manager, but they couldn't identify which ones they were BS. I now believe as you do that the all the 2.5 engine blocks are defective and that MMA knew this but sold them anyway on the premise we'll fix them if they go. With mine it only broke down under load towing a caravan. So some that are never used for towing etc may never have the problem maybe, or is it a ticking timebomb down the track. I would not trust one. I believe it is the biggest cover up by MMA, but I'm not letting it go stay tuned......
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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby BillMcQuade on Fri May 04, 2018 5:53 am

Ozzybucket wrote: I believe it is the biggest cover up by MMA, but I'm not letting it go stay tuned......


Good luck. Many of us have tried. I have lengthy correspondence with MMAL, including legal letters, which amounted to nothing but stonewalling. MMAL can afford better lawyers than us, and pay them to defend MMAL until the sun expands, and consumes all remaining Tritons.

Mine goes out of warranty in 2 months, but I have pretty much given up on this issue, and would never buy another Mitsubishi.
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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby wildturkeycanoe on Fri May 04, 2018 7:05 pm

Posted elsewhere but in case anyone on this thread missed it;
Had the overheat issue on and off since the campaign, finally got them to check it out some months after replacing the radiator due to a slight leak in the top. New engine went in last week on my 190,000km 2011 MN Triton. Mitsubishi covered all costs. I am stoked at getting a new motor and it pulls so much better than the old one, though still have that lag on take off [auto gearbox doesn't help]. It all went very smoothly, engine ordered, date booked, even got it in a week early and only took 4 days to get done. :D
Almost 500km on the new donk and getting better all the time. Hope most people have such a good experience.
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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby baito on Sat May 05, 2018 9:59 am

good stuff wild t. great news on a new engine.... hope it goes well for you.
a little update on my coolant loss issues, it seems to have stopped using heaps of coolant in the last few weeks which is a little odd... I'm thinking I may have a radiator cap issue, so I'm trying to get my hands on a new cap as I'm going to tow the camper to shep next week which will test out any cooling issues i reckon...

see how it goes :(
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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby Booger on Thu May 17, 2018 5:01 pm

I've got my MN 2014-15 back after having a long engine replaced last week. Coolant temps are getting up there... 95c and 100c on a hill climb, then back to low to mid 90's. Cool days atm, but only takes a 10 min drive to get up to these temps. Feels and sounds a bit tight too, bit of a ticking noise when cold. Although it does have more power/torque.
Should this be in the normal range for a new motor? Anyone else getting these higher temps?
Spoken to the dealers service "desk jockey", he's telling me that this is OK for new motor. Everything other than that seems to be going well. Economy seem to be the same as before averaging out to about 10.4 L/100km.
Any thoughts or feedback on temperatures would be helpful.
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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby baito on Thu May 17, 2018 6:04 pm

id be asking to speak to the service manager booger... doesnt sound right to me... my old engine never went over 95 till it started playing up..
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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby Crash486 on Fri May 18, 2018 5:13 am

Pre campaign, mine sat around 84C no load. Up 4C after campaign. Under load up hills have seen 97C but drops back rapidly when back to no load.
Only seen 100+C when coolant was changed and service dept didn't properly bleed it. Got rid of the air and back to the new norm.
Yours seems to me a little too high... maybe and air lock ?

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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby RHKTriton on Fri May 18, 2018 8:04 am

My experiences with the diesels we've had, are that they are generally a cool running engine, typically 80 to 85 degrees with normal operation.

The difference with petrol engines is shown by how quick the heater starts chucking out heat in winter. :lol:
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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby Booger on Sat May 19, 2018 8:19 pm

Crash486 wrote:Pre campaign, mine sat around 84C no load. Up 4C after campaign. Under load up hills have seen 97C but drops back rapidly when back to no load.
Only seen 100+C when coolant was changed and service dept didn't properly bleed it. Got rid of the air and back to the new norm.
Yours seems to me a little too high... maybe and air lock ?
crash486

This all sounds very similar to mine. The temps would come down from high 90s to low 90s and even high 80s pretty quickly (1-2 mins) when my foot is off the juice. I mentioned the air-lock thing and they didn't want to know... "take it to your local dealer", as the engine exchange happened in Sydney, not where I live. Now to find out how to bleed the coolant system. :?: :|
Thanks to the other two, for your advice also.
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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby baito on Tue May 22, 2018 6:09 pm

baito wrote:well lads.. tommorrow will be d day... im taking her back to mitsi as i have used 4.5lt of their coolant in 2.5 weeks... i towed my camper to the grampians last week and it got pretty hot going up hill.. i slowed down to 80 kph and pulled over when i had to.. scanguage temps were getting up there around 118... the factory guage didnt move till it hit 110 degrees and then it went to 3/4... if i didnt have a scan guage it probly would have cooked it....

i pulled over and added coolant twice, got two check engine lights, which were overheating lights, didnt come on till it was bloody hot.. once i was over thr hills and had topped her up she sat on 93-95 degrees for rest of the trip with me just doing 100kph....

see what happens tomorrow i guess... i dont really want to trade it.. id like a new motor as i have spent a lot to get it where it is now..



So a month and a half later there has been some interesting developments.... i finally dropped of my triton last monday to have the motor tested at my local dealer.... they gave me a loan triton which was much appreciated.. it was a mq glx plus and i was quite impressed by it...

So whilst waiting for the results of the test i was driving home wed arvo when a truck went through a stop sign and smashed the loaner mq.... arrgggghhhhh..... seriously.... what a dick....
Lucky no one was hurt but the triton was going on the back of a truck to the smash repairer...... doh... lucky old mate had insurance.


Anyway the dealer rang me this arvo....MMAL have approved a new long engine which is coming down from sydney asap. Im very happy as there was talk of me getting a short motor, but i didnt really want that as the current motor has seen some very high temps and i didnt like the idea of reusing the current head etc.....

So slowly we are getting there, going to put a clutch in it as well while its apart... hopeing to have it back start of june..

Not sure if ill keep her or get a new vehicle... quite worried about the possibility of it happening again ;) :?
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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby Scale on Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:11 pm

Well here I am back in this thread,
Re cap 2012 mn 89,000 km motor replaced.
Today on a holiday 113,000 km on the clock and the new motor is doing the same thing as my old one (when towing) I have spoke to my dealer and MMA the Ute goes in on Thursday and I don’t want it back until it has another new motor!
If this new motor starts to over heat then it will be traded on something else so over this shite!!
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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby RHKTriton on Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:33 pm

Just can't believe that did motors are being fitted.

Are they defective, sabotaged or fitted with incompetence?

Maybe worth considering the little 2.8 guy from Cummins.
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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby Scale on Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:09 am

RHKTriton wrote:Just can't believe that did motors are being fitted.

Are they defective, sabotaged or fitted with incompetence?

Maybe worth considering the little 2.8 guy from Cummins.

Maybe an option down the track, when I rang my dealer the service manager is a young woman that totally know her stuff she was devo’d as she was assured that the replacement motor was a new motor and not one from the old batch and she said that it even had a different part number than the old stock motor, I can not understand why MMA would keep fitting these dodgy motors, you have to feel for the dealerships that have to fit these motors as they loose money every time they refit a motor.
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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby Stoneman on Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:37 am

My engine was replaced at 60,000 odd, new motor has overheated at 110,000
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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby RHKTriton on Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:35 am

Did motor! Sounds kiwi, should have read 'dud motor'.
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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby Cozza on Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:46 pm

After having overheating issue the past week, i turned to the New Triton forums and found this thread... guess i now need to go to my local stealer and see what they can do, i can't believe this has happened as it is a 2011 GLXR and has only done 49,000kms, it is rarely driven and getting close to being out of power-train warranty.
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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby srb on Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:19 pm

Yep, they're all "dud" engines to some extent . Relax, most people get new "dud" engines out of the warranty period... Consumer law says so.. You sometimes have to remind them of that.

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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby BMX666 on Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:29 am

Ozzybucket wrote:
baito wrote:Ok guys who have been down this road, how much fluid were you losing? Im losing about 100 to 300 ml a day i reckon... how long should i wait till i take it back to mitsi?

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If its pumping coolant out the overflow it means that gas is escaping from the engine block into the water jacket. If you undo the radiator cap you'll hear bubbling back through the coolant reservoir. I'd ask them to replace the engine ASAP. If they don't come to the party, do as I did there is a proforma letter on the ACCC site, write a letter to the sales manager(not the service manager) of the dealership. I did this and suddenly I had a loan car and the engine replaced in a week.
Do you have a link to that letter on the accc site by any chance?

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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby Crash486 on Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:04 pm

Has anyone tried water wetter? Would it help cooling and reduce air pockets? Works in fire fighting to reduce water tension so maybe ...

https://www.autobarn.com.au/red-line-water-wetter-pink-355ml-12oz
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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby BMX666 on Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:49 pm

BMX666 wrote:
Ozzybucket wrote:
baito wrote:Ok guys who have been down this road, how much fluid were you losing? Im losing about 100 to 300 ml a day i reckon... how long should i wait till i take it back to mitsi?

Cheers


If its pumping coolant out the overflow it means that gas is escaping from the engine block into the water jacket. If you undo the radiator cap you'll hear bubbling back through the coolant reservoir. I'd ask them to replace the engine ASAP. If they don't come to the party, do as I did there is a proforma letter on the ACCC site, write a letter to the sales manager(not the service manager) of the dealership. I did this and suddenly I had a loan car and the engine replaced in a week.
Do you have a link to that letter on the accc site by any chance?

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So I no longer need a link to the letter.

Dropped my Triton off at the local dealer this morning at 5.30am to investigate exhaust gas in the coolant as found by my mechanic. Phone call from dealer at 9.50am, mitsi have approved out of warranty long motor replacement, they have one on its way and I should have the car back by sat lunch time. Asked for a loan car and got an ASX for the week. Car warranty expired in May last year and it's got just under 84,000km on it at the moment.

Pretty happy with the outcome. Although I'll still have to get the pricey 90,000km service done on what will be a 6000km old motor. Probably talk to my mechanic about that though I think.....

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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby Joel on Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:54 pm

Notch that one up as a win for you. And Mitsubishi for doing what they should too I guess. Where are you located BMX666?
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Re: Cooling System Service Campaign

Postby BMX666 on Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:19 am

Joel wrote:Notch that one up as a win for you. And Mitsubishi for doing what they should too I guess. Where are you located BMX666?
Yeah a win for sure! Located in Albury Wodonga mate.

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