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Postby mattz on Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:36 am

Just after everyone's thoughts on replacing the oem radiator with a twin core aluminium radiator.
The main reasons I'm looking at replacing the oem one is to lower temps whilst towing on hot days and while 4wding in summer.
At the moment i can reach coolant temps above 100 easily climbing long hills towing and it can get up near 100 in low range while climbing on a hot day in the high country. The temp will drop quickly while coasting or defending though so I'm hoping the larger capacity and twin core will keep the temps lower and more stable.
This is the one I'm thinking of purchasing. The price looks pretty good.
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Has anyone bought a similar product from this seller or know of a similar item elsewhere?
Or has anyone fitted one from another supplier?
How was the fitment?
Any modifications needed?
How much higher was the coolant capacity?
Was it worth it?

I've spoken to the seller and their response was very diplomatic........

"Thank you for your inquiry.
This is an aftermarket radiator, slight modification might be required. So you needn't worry about it."

Sounds like they're covering their backsides just incase something needs modifying but it should bolt straight in.


Btw......I'm towing a full height van so wind resistance is high and I'm running a chip and larger tyres which would all be contributing to the higher temps. I don't intend on changing any of this I just want to make this set up the optimum it can be for towing in extreme temperatures.
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby 4wd26 on Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:37 am

have you got a egt gauge?

I also seen high temps when towing but again would quickly drop when coasting or descending.

It is the low range 4wding part that has me interested as that can be sustained for longer periods (rather than a quick hit)

Although what sort of temps are sustained in the high country 105 or more for what an hour?

do you clean out the radiator regularly?
what bash plate do you use
what driving lights
where is your number plate located
do you have a winch

And above all else, have you had it where the airconditioning has ever cut out to protect the system when wheeling in the high country?

my money would be on prevention of the current system rather than $$$ of upgrading.
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby OffRoadDave on Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:10 am

Do you ever hear the viscous fan roaring when things warm up? This was my first thought when you say towing up hills and low range, if the fan is not working to its full potential these are the two places it will show things are not as they should be.
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby motoz on Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:27 am

Tufftroop and Skiddy have both fitted the Aussie Desert Cooler version.

I know TT sold his Triton and bought a Paj so you wont see him on here much. Skiddy's got his own forum happening.

I haven't read any posts from either, post upgrades noting any improvement. I looked into them myself on other sites and couldn't find any factual based posts that they make a huge difference. Its a popular upgrade with the Patrol boys though gets mixed reviews.

Will follow this thread.

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Postby GLRkenny on Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:47 am

I think salt36 fitted a twin core radiator to his car, though I could be mistaken.
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Postby mattz on Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:33 am

4wd26 wrote:have you got a egt gauge?

I also seen high temps when towing but again would quickly drop when coasting or descending.

It is the low range 4wding part that has me interested as that can be sustained for longer periods (rather than a quick hit)

Although what sort of temps are sustained in the high country 105 or more for what an hour?

do you clean out the radiator regularly?
what bash plate do you use
what driving lights
where is your number plate located
do you have a winch

And above all else, have you had it where the airconditioning has ever cut out to protect the system when wheeling in the high country?

my money would be on prevention of the current system rather than $$$ of upgrading.

I'm aware of everything that contributes to air flow or lack of it on a 4wd and was after more specific information from anyone who's done this or similar but......
Egt Gauge is in the mail and should arrive any day now.
Yep got all of the above bolted on.
Winch......can't really relocate
Driving lights.......I could change but would most likely come at a cost similar to if not more than the cost of the radiator.
Bash plates...... Brown Watson which are probably the most airflow friendly on the market. .....will post a pic later. But surprisingly they made no difference to temps when I changed from the TJM bash plates.
Radiator is cleaned regularly (externally)
Number plate.......spaced out to allow air flow. Can't really do much apart from removing totally which is out of the question.
Aircon has never cut out while 4wding but has done a number of times while towing.

OffRoadDave wrote:Do you ever hear the viscous fan roaring when things warm up? This was my first thought when you say towing up hills and low range, if the fan is not working to its full potential these are the two places it will show things are not as they should be.

I do sometimes wonder if it's working to its full potential.
It does kick in but I don't hear it as often since fitting dynamat so I'm not exactly sure how often compared to previously but the temp has always done this.
If I wind the window down I can often hear it. :lol:

motoz wrote:Tufftroop and Skiddy have both fitted the Aussie Desert Cooler version.

I know TT sold his Triton and bought a Paj so you wont see him on here much. Skiddy's got his own forum happening.

I haven't read any posts from either, post upgrades noting any improvement. I looked into them myself on other sites and couldn't find any factual based posts that they make a huge difference. Its a popular upgrade with the Patrol boys though gets mixed reviews.

Will follow this thread.

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Thanks mate.
From what I've seen I wouldn't rate, one of those people you mentioned, technical knowledge and I might contact the other one. :lol:
GLRkenny wrote:I think salt36 fitted a twin core radiator to his car, though I could be mistaken.

Thanks Kenny and you're right.
I've already spoken to salt and will let him chime in with info for others to read but his is a little different being a petrol.
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby Cowboy Dave on Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:19 am

Have you done the air conditioning thermofan mod? If you did then you'd have some extra airflow in the top corner of the radiator at least.

If you do go the chinese route when I looked this morning there seemed to be a couple of items with the same radiator for less coin/lower postage etc so shop carefully.

I had a vague recollection that Fraz might have installed an upgraded radiator on his?

This has been sort of on my tentative list for a long time but now that I've done the SEJ thermostat mod (an MN thing really) my temps are lower than ever before so it is less of a priority for me now.
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby L200Shogun on Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:40 am

A poster on a Facebook page fitted a bigger Al radiator and twin thermo fans. On a trip to the high country he had overheating issues.

Nothing like bagging people who are no longer members here, Just not needed imho.

The poor man often pays twice. Bigger quality radiators that do what they say they will do. I think PWR. Again YMMV
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby Cowboy Dave on Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:45 am

Salt has been running a thermofan and had a lot of issues getting enough CFM to match the stock fan.

Said former member was upgrading his radiator to overcome the so called recall issues - which was never going to work if he actually had the block casting problem. I'll leave it to others to judge the wisdom of that.
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Postby mattz on Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:07 am

Cowboy Dave wrote:Have you done the air conditioning thermofan mod? If you did then you'd have some extra airflow in the top corner of the radiator at least.

If you do go the chinese route when I looked this morning there seemed to be a couple of items with the same radiator for less coin/lower postage etc so shop carefully.

I had a vague recollection that Fraz might have installed an upgraded radiator on his?

This has been sort of on my tentative list for a long time but now that I've done the SEJ thermostat mod (an MN thing really) my temps are lower than ever before so it is less of a priority for me now.

There are a couple of others similar to the one I linked but have a bend where the bottom hose fits on and they were all cheaper. :roll:
L200Shogun wrote:A poster on a Facebook page fitted a bigger Al radiator and twin thermo fans. On a trip to the high country he had overheating issues.

Nothing like bagging people who are no longer members here, Just not needed imho.

The poor man often pays twice. Bigger quality radiators that do what they say they will do. I think PWR. Again YMMV

Do you know why it overheated? There could be a number of reasons like the wrong thermo fans etc.
I'm sorry if I offended you, but I wasn't "bagging" him, I don't even know him. I was stating my opinion of his knowledge that I'd seen. I definitely won't be copying his mods.
I don't know what you're referring to in that last comment?
Are you saying it won't work?
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby Cowboy Dave on Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:13 am

I think he's saying you're better off buying a pricey known brand here but you could get lucky.
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby 4wd26 on Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:40 am

There are 2 options for the placement of the number plate with a ARB bar
I found a bit of an improvement by dropping the plate over the winch, it is only 2 screws to remove if you need the winch- or think you might, wasn't meaning to run without the plate

there is still winch and other stuff in behind, but it may help?
as may moving the winch controller, if it is high (above the bar)

these options are free

as you know we have similar setups and mine with a auto would get hot but not to the extremes you are talking.
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby mattz on Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:59 pm

Cowboy Dave wrote:I think he's saying you're better off buying a pricey known brand here but you could get lucky.

Ahh right.....thanks for the translation.
L200 could you elaborate a bit more? Is it just your opinion or are there performance issues with the radiator I posted a link to?
The aircon fan is on my never ending to do list. Did it make much difference to your temps?
4wd26 wrote:There are 2 options for the placement of the number plate with a ARB bar
I found a bit of an improvement by dropping the plate over the winch, it is only 2 screws to remove if you need the winch- or think you might, wasn't meaning to run without the plate

there is still winch and other stuff in behind, but it may help?
as may moving the winch controller, if it is high (above the bar)

these options are free


as you know we have similar setups and mine with a auto would get hot but not to the extremes you are talking.

I'll try moving the plate or get a slimline one.
I don't think it's as extreme as you're thinking it runs similar temps to what you've posted and we've spoken about.
I'm just looking to improve it so I'm not driving to the temp gauge in extreme conditions.
I haven't towed with the new exhaust yet so that might bring it down a little.

For those watching at home.......
About 12 months ago I lost half of my TJM bash plate in the high country. :roll: :lol:
It's replacement was a Brown Davis brand which I thought may drop the temp by a couple of degrees due to the way it's designed with a vent to catch air like the oem ones. Surprisingly it didn't alter the temps at all.
Here's a pic so you know what I'm talking about.
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby Cowboy Dave on Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:10 pm

I couldn't really point to a drop in temps from the aircon fan but it has to have at least some impact as it throws some serious air in the right direction. Particularly if your issue is occurring at low speeds I would have thought it should help.
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby mattz on Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:21 pm

Hmmm. My issues are mainly at high speed towing in extreme heat but it can creep during a long climb on a hot day in low range. Nothing out of the ordinary because a 80 series and a MN I was with one day also reported similar temps.
The aircon fan can't do it any harm.
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Postby Cowboy Dave on Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:36 pm

What better way to enjoy an overheating motor with new improved cooler air-conditioning? :D
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby srb on Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:49 pm

mattz wrote:Hmmm. My issues are mainly at high speed towing in extreme heat but it can creep during a long climb on a hot day in low range. Nothing out of the ordinary because a 80 series and a MN I was with one day also reported similar temps.
The aircon fan can't do it any harm.


Yeah but that awesome MN was loaded to 3t and was keeping up with a ML that had only it's driver and their dog. ;-) So I'd be real worried if I were you. :-/

Nah but seriously those temps are fine Matt.
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby triton_guru on Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:18 pm

Might be slightly irrelevant but what I done on my ml is run a water mister to spray my intercooler and radiator, does drop temps very well, intercooler has once dropped 25 degrees. I now have it wired up to a switch but before that I just tee into the windscreen washer lol. At 110 my temps are 78 and highest I've had it is 87. Just an idea hope it helps
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby mattz on Mon May 18, 2015 5:15 pm

I've shelved this mod for a few reasons.......

I'm doing a trip at the end of June and I want to "address" my cooling system well before the trip so I'd have time to fix any problems that may have occurred well before hand and with only 3 weekends free for trip prep I was quickly running out of time.
By "address" I mean.....change hoses,belts and coolant and either clean or replace the radiator as its done 230,000km and is an 06 model. I wanted to do it all in one hit for obvious reasons.

PWR came back to me with this....... :shock:
"Indeed, we do actually list a heavy duty radiator for the ML Triton, although it is a little more expensive compared to our other 4WD radiators due to the type of core we have had to use in order to keep within the original fitment but also increase cooling efficiency over the OEM unit.

Price is $1635.70 inc GST plus freight."

I also spoke with an Australian custom aluminium radiator manufacture, who's price was around the $800 mark,but decided against using them after asking a couple of mates,who are into drag cars and classics,what they were like.

I also spoke to quite a few radiator specialists and was getting conflicting opinions.
One recommend against aluminium radiators altogether due to the vibrations from a Diesel engine and the shocks it would encounter whilst off roading. He recommended a custom copper/brass radiator and was getting back to me with a price. That was 3 weeks and 3 phone calls ago. :roll:


Most others just wanted to clean mine out and were talking me out of anything other than stock items. :roll:
None of them gave the Chinese eBay ones a glowing report........not that I was surprised. :lol: From all reports they use thin aluminium and are a throw away item that can not be welded. That makes it hard for outback touring. A quick phone call to Salt also confirmed this as his has started leaking and could only be glued not welded.

With time against me I decided to at least get mine cleaned out and the "hot side" tank replaced, due to my experience of their limited life span.
I've averaged about 10 years on plastic radiator tanks. :roll:

At a cost of $100 for the tank and another $100 to clean out and pressure test mine ($200 total for those that can't add up :lol:) versus $300 for a brand new one,I opted for a brand new one to be safe.

Motoz..::.I may be interested in going down this path later, so if you decide to roll the dice I'll be watching with interest. :lol:
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby coughy on Mon May 18, 2015 5:51 pm

ok so im going to have a point here
i run into a member from the pajero fourns today after i picked up some goodies of him and he has had a thermo fan fitted to the challenger front with a larger 14000 btu oil trans cooler fitted by norris motors under warranty when he told them he was going to fair trade court
as he to has hit very high temps and towing a 2240kg van and 6 limp modes
so it looks like you have to upgrade the oil cooler and a thermo mounted to the intercooler which is infrom of the oil cooler..
time will tell if this helps or not
oh ps the thermo turns on at 90deg lol abit late i think it is with a probe on the inlet pipe
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby RHKTriton on Wed May 20, 2015 6:44 pm

Is yours a manual or auto mattz?

Some other guys have put external auto coolers into their trucks to assist with cooling.
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby triton_guru on Wed May 20, 2015 6:49 pm

Spoke to radiator place today and he said stick to the original radiator they are the best ones for the triton
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Re: Higher performance aluminium radiator.

Postby mattz on Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:30 am

RHKTriton wrote:Is yours a manual or auto mattz?

Some other guys have put external auto coolers into their trucks to assist with cooling.

Manual......so no trans cooler.
triton_guru wrote:Spoke to radiator place today and he said stick to the original radiator they are the best ones for the triton

Yep that's what they all said to me too and I couldn't find one who would think outside the square.
Every radiator shop I spoke to would say to keep everything stock. That's fine.......if I wanted a stock 4wd then I wouldn't have spent thousands on mods.
Seeing everything in the cooling system had been replaced and all the so called specialists were giving me blank looks as to why my triton was running to hot for my liking I decided to bite the bullet and buy a new aluminium radiator from Aussie Dessert Coolers...... http://www.aussiedesertcooler.com.au/

At a cost of $700
Here it is. Click to view larger picture
I was told its 30% more efficient than oem.......whatever that means and uses the same mounting points and shroud.
At first glance it appeared considerably bigger.......which it is
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I quickly realise the shroud wouldn't be going back in without some modifications.
Nothing a 1mm cutting disc on an angle grinder wouldn't fix. I love those thin discs.
So after a little trimming the radiator was installed but upon starting the car it was discovered the fan was hitting the shroud so it all had to come out again
It was discovered the fan was hitting on the drivers side of the shroud so after some more trimming and drilling the mounting holes out a bit, so it could slide across to the drivers side as much as possible, it was reinstalled and filled.
After reusing the original coolant (which was only recently changed) extra coolant was added.
After some spillage of the old coolant an estimated 3 litres of coolant was used to top up the new radiator.
I know it would hold at least 2 extra litres at a minimum probably not as much as 3 litres but more likely around 2 and a 1/2 litres extra capacity.

After a short test drive it was discovered the fan was still hitting the shroud due to the engine twisting under torque so a few in car shroud modifications were performed. Basically the bolts were loosened, a bit of filing was performed and the shroud position was tweaked over to the drivers side a bit more.
I was really trying to avoid removing it all again because I discovered my harmonic balancer was needing replacing and it was all going to come out again for that.
Another test drive and the fan was still hitting the shroud buy only under hard acceleration this time, so the decision was made to leave it how it was and tackle it when it had to come out for the harmonic balancer replacement which has since been done.

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Postby mattz on Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:59 am

I really wanted to keep the shroud in place because they help direct airflow though the radiator. Otherwise air will be sucked around the radiator and won't be 100% efficient.

First trimming was pretty straight forward and unfortunately I forgot to take pics.
There is a lip that goes all the way around the shroud that needs to be removed it's the part closest to the radiator and sits proud of the shroud mounting points so it allows for the extra thickness of the new radiator.

It's a bit hard to tell where the fan is hitting the shroud without pulling it all out and looking at the marks on it.
Luckily.......or unluckily I had to remove everything again to replace my harmonic balancer which gave me a good opportunity to see where the fan was contacting the shroud and make adjustments.
Here is the part of the shroud it mainly hits.......the hump bit at the top of the pic but on the inside of the shroud
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As you can see it it had been hitting and chewed most of it away to a point where it was hardly ever contacting.
If I didn't have to remove everything again I would have left it as is.
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Only about 5-10mm was removed on the same radius of the fan
After some more trimming
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Hopefully this will help someone removing everything a number of time like I had to

A bit a trivia....... The fan blades are made from plastic which is a lot harder and more durable than the shroud.
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Postby mattz on Sun Apr 03, 2016 6:04 am

Oh and Towing temps results coming soon.
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