New Tritons with higher trim heights

[ultimate]

Hi everyone.

We have been noticing lately that a lot of Tritons have been coming in with a higher trim heights from factory. This has now been confirmed since Jack from Ultimate Suspension bought a new Triton GLX-R for himself. It came in with the front sitting at 545mm (centre of hub to guard) with 300km on the clock. In the past, the original suspension height was 510-520 for GLX-R models. We conducted a spring rate test on the new coils and they are different to previous Triton coils are actually close to our raised height comfort spec.

Other customers and fitters have also recorded higher trim heights with a few up to 560mm (with no accessories). This is basically the same as a 2" lift.

The rear suspension heights appear to the be the same, which really throws out the balance if heavily loaded.

What does this mean for aftermarket suspension?

Due to a number of factors (e.g. steering geometry and wheel alignment), we can still only raise the Triton to our normal raised height (approximately 570mm). This means on the newer vehicles, you will not achieve a "50mm" lift over standard.

On some vehicles, our original "standard height" or "10-20mm" kits may actually lower the vehicle.

[dexterboy]

Just measured my Jan built 2013 GLR No accessories 500km on dial

Front from centre of Mitsubishi Logo on wheel to guard was 560mm

Rear same measurement was 580mm

Is this higher than normal ?

[Belbrook]

^^
Brendon
your coils will still have a similar height in a years time unlike the saggy originals

[mattz]

Have you checked if there is any other differences in the front end? Have they used the same drive shafts with an increased cv angle or are they longer? Here's hoping.

[jmos]

My GLR 2012 just purchased with TJM T13 bullbar sits at about 540mm at front

[chode007]

had a quick look at my MN feb 2012 GLR club cab, 540mm 22,000 on the clock. Has a tray and tools in the back if that changes any thing, standard leaf springs are not much off being flat.

[rayc71]

My 2012 GLR with 5k on the clock sits at 550mm (from centre of Mitsubishi Logo on wheel to guard) at the front without any bullbar.
This certainly makes me re-think the need for a suspension change/lift if I am only going to get another 20mm out of it.

Brendan, can you convince me ( i.e. give us your best sales pitch ) that I need to move to an Ultimate Suspension kit? This was VERY high on my to-do list given the great reviews I have read on this forum.

[Cowboy Dave]

The suspension upgrade is not just about height, it's about all round handling. Try and think about the last time you drove along a freeway. When you hit a change in levels at a bridge, did your triton start up its own little wave and go up and down a few times before settling back down to it's normal level cruising? Does the body roll a lot in corners? Does the whole ride seem a bit soft and wishy washy? Ultimate will fix all of that. The description I used when I got mine was that all of a sudden it felt like I was driving on rails.

[NowForThe5th]

So, the way I read this is that if you have a fairly standard Triton you almost have a lift in the front so possibly may be able to survive on the (new) factory coils. No mention by Brendan about the shock absorber in the front which I could only imagine would have been upgraded a little to cope with the new coils but probably nowhere near as effective as the Ultimate coil/shock combination. In the rear, once you've driven it out of the dealer's gate the springs will be at their use by date and the shocks about to fail. So, you'd have to do the rear as well.

Putting an Ultimate kit on will still give you the maximum height that you can safely go to without risking your CVs. Whether that is 20mm or 50mm above where you were is immaterial, really. At the rear the difference is like chalk and cheese.

As CD says, it's all about the complete package working together. The Ultimate package will no doubt still be the way to go. Brendan is just keeping us informed. Doing a bit of "expectation management" as it were. Thanks Brendan.

[rayc71]

Thanks guys. This is exactly the kind of info I was after. As I've alluded to before I am new to all of this so I will from time to time ask questions that seem quite obvious to the more knowledgeable amongst you!

[freeball]

MY12 GLX-R at 10000K unloaded standard nudge bar was:
554 Front
575 Rear

[Cowboy Dave]

Wonder what other little changes are being slipped in?

[motoz]

Wonder what other little changes are being slipped in?

Flux capacitor...

[Cowboy Dave]

Not that I want this topic to be de-railed, as this is worthy of it's own topic, but I recently had a look at a new-ish MN 2.5 engine and it had a different wiring harness on the rail plug to the one on mine. Another bloke smarter than me thought it might be connected to a knock sensor that we hadn't seen before. So there's a few little changes going on out there, but you'd be hard pressed to pick them up unless you had some to compare to - as ultimate has here.

[Bunga181]

Might be new glow plugs as I can't see a glow plug lamp on my 2013 dash on start up....

Also, I believe they are calling the new suspension 'sport' suspension.

[viking shippy]

Might be new glow plugs as I can't see a glow plug lamp on my 2013 dash on start up....

Also, I believe they are calling the new suspension 'sport' suspension.

My 07 glxr had sport suspension
They waved a voodoo feather over the standard suff and called it sport....

[geoduck]

The Mitsubishi web site for the Triton under suspension specs says "sports suspension" standard. In the UK the suspension fitted is "HD" Mitsubishi have seen the vehicle needed improved and have done so.
This seems like a bit of 'sour grapes'. To me! They now are less able to say that their kit raises the ride height compared to standard.
I don't doubt that Ultimate do good quality suspension upgrades, their feed back supports that. It will now have to be sold on its other merits, improved ride and handling etc.

[NowForThe5th]

I wish it was so simple, Geoduck.

As our resident (and token ) Norseman suggests, the Sport and HD suspensions have been around since introduction of the series so, apart from the heavier front coils, really don't represent any significant innovation by Mitsubishi, despite what they would have us believe. You may not have seen the video clip of the lane change test comparing standard and Ultimate suspensions. The improvements in handling and ride are quite astounding. I think that Ultimate are well aware of this and promote it just as much as the benefits of additional clearance.

I don't agree that it's sour grapes at all. Brendan, Fraz and even Ken have become integral parts of this forum through being good blokes but what sells suspensions is quality and service, not just good blokes. As I said earlier, keeping the members informed is something that they do quite well and, I believe, that this is just another example of that.

What hasn't yet been discussed here is that Mitsubishi, by raising the factory height, have actually done new and existing owners something of a favour because many setups that were previously technically illegal may now become legal as fitting within the 50mm increased height restriction.

[geoduck]

I was not saying the boys from Ultimate don't sell a good product, I have seen the video and was impressed. Having driven performance cars I appreciate how changing standard suspension can make all the difference, i have used Koni dampers and the change was fantastic on the rwd Alfa and fwd Alfasud. I have put Sachs on my 3.2 Shogun and transformed that too.
It would be good if manufacturers did the same here in the uk. And supported owners forums.
My impression from the post was about the ride height being the issue. And it affecting how they promote their lift kit.
It is just an observation.

[Brent1]

What hasn't yet been discussed here is that Mitsubishi, by raising the factory height, have actually done new and existing owners something of a favour because many setups that were previously technically illegal may now become legal as fitting within the 50mm increased height restriction.

I have been wondering this exact same point. I am not in the position to be able to upgrade ATM but would like to for the extra comfort one day when money allows but was worried with what I read in another thread about it being illegal ATM because my car has ESC. I am away at present but will definitely be measuring up when I get home as my suspension also seems quite high. Thank you for the info everyone

[Spotty]

So does a diff drop kit become a new option ? As mine currently sits at 545mm with 8000 on the clock? I am about to order suspension and all handling aside, an extra inch at cruiser park would be much appreciated

[Sootie]

I apparently have one of the ones on viagra I'm at 558mm at the front and 578 at the rear after 6000kms on 2013 glx with no bullbar or anything.

I noticed it also has the wrong diff, the sales brochure said it should be a 3.6 but it actually has the same as everyone elses according to the sticker (not complaining at all)

[ultimate]

This seems like a bit of 'sour grapes'. To me! They now are less able to say that their kit raises the ride height compared to standard.
I don't doubt that Ultimate do good quality suspension upgrades, their feed back supports that. It will now have to be sold on its other merits, improved ride and handling etc.

The increase in trim height has always just been an added bonus with suspension upgrades. The major benefits are felt on road with improved comfort, handling and stability. The new set up on the Tritons is just new coils with the original shocks (not ideal). Upgrading to aftermarket coils and shocks will still make a huge difference to the on and off road performance.

The idea of this thread is to let everyone know there has been a change from factory and suspension lifts on these vehicles will not achieve a full 50mm. I would rather let everyone know in advance rather than be disappointed down the track.

Have you checked if there is any other differences in the front end? Have they used the same drive shafts with an increased cv angle or are they longer? Here's hoping.

CV's and other drive line components appear to the be the same. The only other difference I have noticed is retainer clips on the ball joints. They are hard to see if you don't know they are there. If you don't remove them before undoing the bolt, you will need to repair the thread.

So does a diff drop kit become a new option ? As mine currently sits at 545mm with 8000 on the clock? I am about to order suspension and all handling aside, an extra inch at cruiser park would be much appreciated

Diff drops still be engineered and there are other aspects like steering and wheel alignment which come into play with larger lifts. At the moment, we don't have anything higher than 2" in production.

[geoduck]

Are the new springs just longer or has the load rating been upgraded or both?
I would have though all components would have been assessed and modified if necessary.

Those clips on the balljoint bolts are strange, are they used instead of locknuts or thread lock?

[wondergunn88]

Mine is a 12/12 built and 1/13 complied and I just installed the ironman load plus suspensions yesterday. And my ride height went as follows:
Front 542mm > 558mm
Rear 580mm > 635mm

No accessories as of yet at all and only 2000km on the clock

Those clips on the balljoint bolts are strange, are they used instead of locknuts or thread lock?

to tell the truth the clips popped off when I undid the bolts. Didn't stop them from coming off or anything.