Oils aint Oils

[har05l]

After lots of reading and advise and seeing most people are using caltex delo 400 or penrite hpr-5 I ended up picking an oil I've never seen mentioned here before.
It's made by Hi Tec oils and fits all the relevant criteria's needed based on the 2.5's owner manual.
Priced at $109 for a 20ltr drum it's on par in pricing also. Will see how it goes after oil change tomorrow

[har05l]

Can't find anything relevant so same as my fuel filter supply I picked up a couple of oil filters @ $21
Brand is Nippon and again a bargain price compared to oem

[sal_troy]

Hi har051. How did you go with the hi-tec oil? Seen this brand before and am interested to hear your review.
Thanks

[har05l]

Hi har051. How did you go with the hi-tec oil? Seen this brand before and am interested to hear your review.
Thanks

It's only been a few days but seems fine. Engine is quieter and it does seem to feel a little looser if that makes sense Power seems better but that's probably just all in my head

Because I was so slack in between the last service interval I'll run for 5k km's and give it another change considering the cost of the oil filter.

[alex_m_84]

Just regarding the Delo 400.
Delo's site mentions the multigrade is for Pre 2007 vehicles http://www.deloperformance.com/products ... -oils.aspx

Is this correct? Should i use the Delo 400 LE SAE 15W-40

Can someone help me with this question please? What Delo 400 are you ising in your 2.5 MN tritons?

[har05l]

From what I've been told and also as per the handbook the 15-40 grade is correct Alex

[alex_m_84]

From what I've been told and also as per the handbook the 15-40 grade is correct Alex

Yeah i figured 15-40 but which one of the 2 Delo 400 15-40's?

The site has these two below and mentions this:

Delo 400 LE SAE 15W-40
Delo 400 LE SAE 15W-40 is formulated to meet the requirements of post-2007 low emission engines equiped with advanced emission control technologies. Provides outstanding performance with Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel and also with normal and low sulfur diesel fuels, Delo 400 LE is backward compatible and may be used in older, conventional engines and gasoline engines.


Delo 400 Multigrade SAE 15W-40
Delo 400 Multigrade SAE 15W-40 is a premium quality engine oil designed for pre-2007 engines and higher sulfur fuels (> 500 ppm sulfur). With exceptional soot dispersancy and wear control, Delo 400 Multigrade SAE 15W-40 protects cylinders, pistons, rings, and injectors against wear and corrosion, providing optimum service life and minimal maintenance.

I thought i'd read a lot of people use the multigrade in the MN's, but the site says the multigrade is for pre 2007 engines? Should i be going for the 400 LE or does it not matter?

[Cowboy Dave]

Is there much of a price difference?

Do they both meet all the other specs from the handbook? I tried to look but got nowhere on the ipad.

My guess would be the the LE SAE one is designed for use with engines with a dpf which our vehicles don't have.

Both oils seem to claim they're suitable for mixed fleet use which probably means you'd be fine with either - but don't take my word for it since I've not used their oil.

The frustrating thing is that the caltex website recommends havoline 5w-30 and then doesn't list your other options like a lot of the other sites do.

[alex_m_84]

Not sure if there's a price difference. I need to look at the local shops to see what they have.

My father in law is a diesel mechanic and they use delo 400 on all their site vehicles. I've asked him to talk to their oil guy from Caltex to see what he recommends for the triton.

[Longranger1]

The Delo multigrade (not the LE) is the go when you don't have a dpf.

Higher zinc content is a good thing.

[alex_m_84]

Not sure if there's a price difference. I need to look at the local shops to see what they have.

My father in law is a diesel mechanic and they use delo 400 on all their site vehicles. I've asked him to talk to their oil guy from Caltex to see what he recommends for the triton.

Had a call today from the wife's dad. Delo LE is what i need to use in the current triton's. This was from the Caltex rep they use for their work. I didn't have long to chat as i was working, but i'll try to find out why this is the one to use over the multigrade.

[Cowboy Dave]

You'll find the Caltex C3 Havoline 5W-30 is recommended as it is the highest quality, full synthetic oil to suit the Triton, or other moderm low sulphur fuel using vehilces. It is a SN grade, highest at the moment.
The Delo LE is also for more moden engines, but a grade lower at SM, probaly as it is not synthic based. The std Delo 400 is for older pre low sulpher engines.
The Fleetmaster Hitech oil is 2 grades lower than the the top quality oils we have today, ie being an SL grade - hence why its probably cheap.
If you look at supercheap or any other auto store, you'll find the cheaper oils that they say suit older cars will all be lower grade oils, usually the SL grade.
If you want top quality, full synthetic oil, with high grade SN rating, great 'cold start flow' with winter weight of 5W .... go with the Havoline C3 5W-30. This would also better suit the 15k km service internvals.
just my 2cents worth.
ps Your handbook will give you the MINIMUM oil rating required, but there is better. All depends on $ and how long your oil change intervals are, how long you want to keep your car and do you 'love' your car - lol,lol,lol

Do they both meet all the other specs from the handbook? I tried to look but got nowhere on the ipad.

My guess would be the the LE SAE one is designed for use with engines with a dpf which our vehicles don't have.

Both oils seem to claim they're suitable for mixed fleet use which probably means you'd be fine with either - but don't take my word for it since I've not used their oil.

The frustrating thing is that the caltex website recommends havoline 5w-30 and then doesn't list your other options like a lot of the other sites do.

[NowForThe5th]

You'll find the Caltex C3 Havoline 5W-30 is recommended as it is the highest quality, full synthetic oil to suit the Triton, or other moderm low sulphur fuel using vehilces. It is a SN grade, highest at the moment.
The Delo LE is also for more moden engines, but a grade lower at SM, probaly as it is not synthic based. The std Delo 400 is for older pre low sulpher engines.
The Fleetmaster Hitech oil is 2 grades lower than the the top quality oils we have today, ie being an SL grade - hence why its probably cheap.

While correct for petrol engines this may be a little misleading for diesel engines. The API service classifications SL, SM and SN refer to petrol engines, not diesel, The applicable diesel engine service classifications run in a series starting with "C", so for example CH, CI, CJ. There are intermediate classifications such as CI-4 and CI-4 PLUS.

Because oils are formulated for specific applications it is quite common to find that an oil which meets the highest or latest specification for petrol engines may not meet the highest specification for diesels. Going to a later specification for oil may not necessarily be the best thing to do for your engine which may be better suited to an earlier specification.

Always use the Mitsubishi recommendations in your handbook as the starting point when choosing an oil and, if in doubt, discuss with the oil company of your choice.

[Cowboy Dave]

So is CJ the highest grade out of that list?

[alex_m_84]

You'll find the Caltex C3 Havoline 5W-30 is recommended as it is the highest quality, full synthetic oil to suit the Triton, or other moderm low sulphur fuel using vehilces. It is a SN grade, highest at the moment.
The Delo LE is also for more moden engines, but a grade lower at SM, probaly as it is not synthic based. The std Delo 400 is for older pre low sulpher engines.
The Fleetmaster Hitech oil is 2 grades lower than the the top quality oils we have today, ie being an SL grade - hence why its probably cheap.

While correct for petrol engines this may be a little misleading for diesel engines. The API service classifications SL, SM and SN refer to petrol engines, not diesel, The applicable diesel engine service classifications run in a series starting with "C", so for example CH, CI, CJ. There are intermediate classifications such as CI-4 and CI-4 PLUS.

Because oils are formulated for specific applications it is quite common to find that an oil which meets the highest or latest specification for petrol engines may not meet the highest specification for diesels. Going to a later specification for oil may not necessarily be the best thing to do for your engine which may be better suited to an earlier specification.

Always use the Mitsubishi recommendations in your handbook as the starting point when choosing an oil and, if in doubt, discuss with the oil company of your choice.

Thanks for the input 5th.
I've had a bit of a read on how the API ratings come about and what they mean. Makes a bit more sense to me now.

So if i have this right, the oil classification is either ACEA or API being done by one of the following oil companies:
- European Automobile Manufacturers Association (ACEA) or,
- American Petroleum Institue (API).

The C rating is for Catalyst compatibility oils (designed for diesels) which also can have an S rating if they fulfill the standards for particular petrol engine oil classes.

The C ratings work there way up in either letters or numbers depending on ACEA or API rating and can also have "inbetween" releases like you mentioned (eg CI-4 etc). Current ratings being up to CJ (API) and C4 (ACEA). ACEA also has E ratings up to E9 for heavy duty diesel engines

It looks like all C class oils are designed to work with DPF and TWC (three-way catalyst) which is guess has something to do with the way the CAT controls emissions?

Sorry for all the babble, and correct me if I've understood anything wrong. Just wanted to write it down so someone can shoot me down if i'm incorrect (i'll edit the post to stop confusing if i have written something wrong).

I'll stick with the DELO 400 LE 15W40 for mine. Good price and gets great results at a local mine in their hilux's.

[NowForThe5th]

Pretty much right there Alex. The API and APEA are not oil companies, though, they're independent bodies that set the standards. Some manufacturers also set standards and you'll see the Caterpillar and Detroit Diesel standards most often, but also others like Ford, GM, Volvo, etc.

When I have a look at my handbook the interesting thing is that these engines don't actually call for a particularly high or recent standard. API CD is what is specified and that is actually obsolete. What that means is that almost any diesel oil that you can buy today will meet the standard required to maintain your warranty. Some oils, however, may do the job a little better and you need to weigh up whether the improvements in oil performance are worth the additional cost. For example, full synthetics are nice but not necessary if you're doing intermediate oil changes or not operating in really severe conditions (probably 98% of us).

Looking at those Caltex oils it seems to me that the Delo 400 LE (CJ-4) is designed for vehicles with DPF (which we don't have) so I think I'd be looking at the Delo 400 Multigrade (CI-4) instead, which is aimed more at engines with EGR and/or SCR systems.

So is CJ the highest grade out of that list?

Yes, CJ-4 is the latest standard but is formulated more for low sulphur fuels and can actually work against you when you're using the relatively high sulphur fuels that we see. The CI-4 standard is better suited to high sulphur fuels.

[rodeddy]

hi,
i follow along the lines of what you are saying and mostly agree. My original reply, although related to petrol spec oil, was just trying to show that there are ratings and its good to know what to look for and what your buying...
I don't understand where you say " relatively high sulpur fuels that we see" ??
Our sulphur spec is 10PPM and is ultra low suplur specs. In fact, what comes out the refinery is usually about 8PPM.
Since we dropped from the very old 200PPM, down to 50PPM from about 2007 to the current 10PPM around 2010/11, i would assume that some manufactures handbooks would be out of date on which oil to use.
As they would be basing oil specs on the beter lubricating older higher sulphur fuels.
Since the introduction of ultra low sulphur fuels, the oil specs have had to change to meet extra/ better lubrication and to meet emmison control std.
Actually, i would be interested to see whether the oil spec recommended from Mitsubishi has changed from, say 2006 to the current handbook. If anyone could look. maybe not ?? interesting though
cheers, Rod

Pretty much right there Alex. The API and APEA are not oil companies, though, they're independent bodies that set the standards. Some manufacturers also set standards and you'll see the Caterpillar and Detroit Diesel standards most often, but also others like Ford, GM, Volvo, etc.

When I have a look at my handbook the interesting thing is that these engines don't actually call for a particularly high or recent standard. API CD is what is specified and that is actually obsolete. What that means is that almost any diesel oil that you can buy today will meet the standard required to maintain your warranty. Some oils, however, may do the job a little better and you need to weigh up whether the improvements in oil performance are worth the additional cost. For example, full synthetics are nice but not necessary if you're doing intermediate oil changes or not operating in really severe conditions (probably 98% of us).

Looking at those Caltex oils it seems to me that the Delo 400 LE (CJ-4) is designed for vehicles with DPF (which we don't have) so I think I'd be looking at the Delo 400 Multigrade (CI-4) instead, which is aimed more at engines with EGR and/or SCR systems.

So is CJ the highest grade out of that list?

Yes, CJ-4 is the latest standard but is formulated more for low sulphur fuels and can actually work against you when you're using the relatively high sulphur fuels that we see. The CI-4 standard is better suited to high sulphur fuels.

[Cowboy Dave]

The valvoline synpower I use is sm/cf so I'm guessing it's a little behind the times?

[liamk]

Got 20L delo 400 LE for $106 from caltex coopers plains. Just put it in with 3700 on the odo. My local dealer said they use delo 400 not LE. I rang the caltex info line and the bloke told me c3 5w30 synthetic was specified but said delo should be ok. Im also using it in my v8 falcon with 300,000ks and want to have one oil for simplicity and 5w30 is too thin for it. In comparison to the newer more expensive oils, the delo has higher content of zinc, sulpher etc despite being low emissions and safe for DPF's, so it should provide good protection for both vehicles.
Has anyone looked down the guts of a repco oil filter for a 2.5mn and noticed a plastic looking ring sitting just below the thread which isnt present on the original filter??
Sort of regretting not paying the extra 10 bucks for a genuine filter but figured repco has to be good quality. They also had silverline filters for 15 bucks but were out of stock.

[mitch_o]

liamk, the repco filters are ok, I wouldn't use the silverline their crap. I have had issues with the repco filters being hard to remove I don't know if it is the seal or thread but always been a pita

[variflex]

My mechanic has always used Valvoline super diesel in mine, I just started doing my own oil changes and stuck with the same oil,

[trouble]

Valvoline is a recycled oil with heaps of additives to make it "better"

Don't use it!!!!

[variflex]

Is that all Valvoline oils or just their Nextgen range?

[Cowboy Dave]

Valvoline is a recycled oil with heaps of additives to make it "better"

Don't use it!!!!

Care to substantiate that outlandish claim?

[trouble]

Not outlandish, their cheap and mid range is all recycled. Hey I used it a few times myself till I spoke with a person who drifts cars for shi7s and giggles and told me that no one uses their oils due to it being recycled with their so called "additives" making it look fine.

Ok I admit that I'm not sure about the diesel oil but I'm not using it.