Closing the EGR Valve *check first post for links*

Closing the EGR Valve *check first post for links*

Postby erne on Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:05 pm

As I already told you , I ve closed the Egr (Exhaust Gas Recycling ) With the Egr the engine is sucking in exhaust gas that has less dense air due to it being hotter,potentially making less power and dirting the all sistem.
Once I ve dismantled the valve I saw what a mess is this system, you guys cant immagine how dirty it was. So I was even more convinced to close it.
I ve cutted and shaped a blank sheet alluminum plate of 1 mm thickness.I was immediately happy when I tried the car , in my opinion I ve gained some more torque at the low Rpm, and in general the car is much more linear.
8-)

EDIT:

One of our members "took one for the team" - thanks Chick Magnet 8-) and has compiled the following table of contents for the next (at this stage) 62 pages. This should make it a little easier for new members to pick up the relevant information

Extra thanks to Tex for showing us how it could be done even better:

Consider also this much shorter thread which may be a better quick reference guide:
http://www.newtriton.net/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=7472

Page


1 photograph where to block the ML 3.2 DID EGR (blank on top)
2 discussions: EGR blank: reduced smoke?
3 What is Exhaust gas reticulation (EGR)
4 Photographs where to block the ML 3.2 DID EGR (blank on bottom)
4 Positive crank case venting photographs
5 What a Stainless steel blank plate looks like
6 Diagram of how to install it in relation to joint
7 Discussion of Check Engine light (CEL) Caused by the EGR blank
8 more photographs of EGR blank plate + getting installed
8-20 lots of varying reports from people that blocked the EGR
20 MN triton: where to block the EGR
21 legalities regarding blocking the EGR and emissions
23 ball bearing modification getting discussed
25 EGR diagrams of MN triton 2.5hp
25 ball bearing modification discussions continued with photographs
26 wiring diagram for 2.5hp MN EGR throttle body valve
26 explaining why blanking the EGR cause CEL's
27 brief engine gas temperature (EGT) discussion relating to fore and against
30 "Chip It" explain why the chip it map controller changes the pressure read to not cause a CEL
31 discussions: finding a solution for the CEL with the 2.5hp
32 Tony and Longranger discuss the "longranger modification" and its advantages + plus what it does
34 discussions: Where to blank my MN 2.5 EGR
35 Solution for the EGR and CEL issues 3.2ML "Coxy's inline relay mod" (needs refinement)
37 Tonys version to stop CEL's with the MN 2.5hp
41 EGR and CEL's solution that won't affect economy
43 Photographs of the "Longranger stage 2 bypass"
47 EGR and CEL solution: MAP sensor with one way valve (photographs)
49 EGR and CEL solution: Map sensor with one way valve: improved (photographs)
User avatar
erne
 
Posts: 51
Joined: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:00 pm
Location: Addis Ababa, Ethiopia


 

Closing the Egr Valve

Postby Hardway on Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:13 pm

Do you have any PIC's of where you put the plate.
How long have you had it block off?
Hardway
 
Posts: 68
Joined: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:00 pm
Location: ADELAIDE, SA

Closing the Egr Valve

Postby erne on Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:08 pm

I did not take any pics , but I will take a pic of the position where to put the plate.
All the work it took 30 minutes.
Is just a day that I ve blocked the EGR , I still have to see in the long run.
But I am also member in a Italian forum for L200 and almost all the members had the EGR blocked, since long time and no problem was reported.
User avatar
erne
 
Posts: 51
Joined: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:00 pm
Location: Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

Closing the Egr Valve

Postby erne on Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:08 pm

User avatar
erne
 
Posts: 51
Joined: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:00 pm
Location: Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

Closing the Egr Valve

Postby erne on Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:10 pm

And this is the original gasket
User avatar
erne
 
Posts: 51
Joined: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:00 pm
Location: Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

Closing the Egr Valve

Postby subi_man on Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:11 pm

Interesting - please let us know what you think in the long-run erne!
Andrew

Never judge a man by the size of his shed, but by how many toys he has IN that shed
User avatar
subi_man
Valued Contributor
 
Posts: 3081
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:00 pm
Location: Canowindra, NSW

Closing the Egr Valve

Postby erne on Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:27 pm

1200 Km and very happy about it even with powerbox cr plus!
User avatar
erne
 
Posts: 51
Joined: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:00 pm
Location: Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

Closing the Egr Valve

Postby DiamondStar on Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:06 am

Will go and buy an original gasket and get a new one laser cut that has no hole in the middle.
Is there any need to put any gunk sealer of any type, or is the straight aluminium all that is necessary.
DiamondStar
 
Posts: 39
Joined: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:00 pm
Location: , VIC

Closing the Egr Valve

Postby erne on Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:49 am

All that is neccessary is just a straight gasket that has no hole in it. I personally kept the original gasket by the side of the engine to prevent any leak of exhaust gas. My mechanic told me that a copper plate is preferable in the long run , because the exhaust gases can oxidize the aluminium.
Copper also is better material for gaskets of any kind because more malleable.
So I will change to copper as soon as possible.
User avatar
erne
 
Posts: 51
Joined: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:00 pm
Location: Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

Closing the Egr Valve

Postby Davoxt on Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:54 am

Will i can now report on the good and bad blocking the egr valve.
Its now been 1500km since i fitted the blocking plate and my results
are all bad.
1: Used more fuel gone from 10.3lit to 11.8 per 100km.
2: Engine injectors rattle badly 2200rpm to 3400rpm just like evey morning untill she warms up.
3: Blows more smoke in that rev range, runs like the choke on.

Removed the plate four days ago , rattle all put gone now when warm.
Fuel back to 10.5lit per 100km over the last 524km and a lot less block smoke.
For me if you have the 3.2crd don't block egr off.
User avatar
Davoxt
 
Posts: 70
Joined: Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:00 pm
Location: 1500km north of Perth, WA

Re: Closing the Egr Valve

Postby MonsterTriton on Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:17 am

yea i also had my EGR vavle closed to a while back,
basicly for emissions reasons, we have our EGR, which basicly recirculates the exhaust gass back up then down the downpipe.
anyways closing the EGR will have u slightly more bottomend power, with about 8=9% added torque with better economy though, and dyno proven to produce less black smoke..from .21 to about .17

just replace the egr gasket-multi gasket with a thicker soild peace, 1.22mm to efficiently close the system.


http://www.triton4x4club.com/webboard/i ... -----their is a link with dyno results.....though done with the vigo.
THERE IS A MONSTER IN ALL OF US
User avatar
MonsterTriton
 
Posts: 475
Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:00 pm
Location: Bangkok Thailand

Re: Closing the Egr Valve

Postby MonsterTriton on Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:19 am

oh yes and to date i have no problems with my EGR vavle, i have used it for approximatly 7000Km now.
i have run 37000k for the 2007 model....quite a bit huh? and glad to say with my setup i have never had a problem.

beside the front fender comming off hahaha....
THERE IS A MONSTER IN ALL OF US
User avatar
MonsterTriton
 
Posts: 475
Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:00 pm
Location: Bangkok Thailand

Re: Closing the Egr Valve

Postby erne on Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:36 am

For Monster Triton : I also used the car for 10000 Km with the Egr Closed. I am happy to see that you tried and never had a problem.
What other easy mods do you suggest as well?
User avatar
erne
 
Posts: 51
Joined: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:00 pm
Location: Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

Re: Closing the Egr Valve

Postby MonsterTriton on Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:02 pm

hey Erne,


for what mods where you planning to further do, well it really depends what you are looking for? more power/torque? or better driveability and better reliability???
or a bit of both????

btw mate, my egr plate was 1.22mm thick...

(philip_massoud@hotmail.com)
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Last edited by MonsterTriton on Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:24 am, edited 1 time in total.
THERE IS A MONSTER IN ALL OF US
User avatar
MonsterTriton
 
Posts: 475
Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:00 pm
Location: Bangkok Thailand

Re: Closing the Egr Valve

Postby slimv6 on Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:19 pm

Anyone done this on the V6?

wondering if it will make a diff???
I'm not as thunk as you drink I am. ;)
User avatar
slimv6
 
Posts: 322
Joined: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:00 pm
Location: , Not in OZ

Re: Closing the Egr Valve

Postby Eelesy on Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:24 am

Im bringing this thread up again as i am thinking of closing my EGR valve.

Recently i was telling a highly qualified mechanic friend that i had had the manifold replaced due to carbon build up. without any more said my be he told me it was cos of the new engines using EGR for emission control. and that it should be closed.

Overall it does make sense that why should you put dirty exhaust back into a clean motor?

Am i right in saying that only one person (davoxt) has reported a negative effect of closing the EGR Valve?
I'm not dead
User avatar
Eelesy
 
Posts: 1403
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:00 pm
Location: Padbury, WA

Re: Closing the Egr Valve

Postby GLX-R Alex on Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:06 am

I havent even recieved my new tritin yet and am probably going to close the ERG valve, How could the ECU recognise that the valve is closed and log a fault? anyone got a scanner to check. If i make the new gasket that would look identical to the stock one ( Im a fitter and can do so) Would the dealer mechanics be able to tell if i block it at the service intervals. ?

Has anyone taken there ERG blocked triton in for a service while under warranty and the dealer not noticed?

I cant stand the thought of the inlet being full of black shit.... :o
User avatar
GLX-R Alex
 
Posts: 504
Joined: Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:06 pm

Re: Closing the Egr Valve

Postby Eelesy on Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:23 am

The only thing i think is maybe a possibility is if there is a sensor somewhere to measure the exhaust gas return and if its blocked then there is nothing to measure and it might hiccup?? just a theory
I'm not dead
User avatar
Eelesy
 
Posts: 1403
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:00 pm
Location: Padbury, WA

Re: Closing the Egr Valve

Postby GLX-R Alex on Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:32 am

Need somone to actually check with there scangauge ans see if it is picked up...
User avatar
GLX-R Alex
 
Posts: 504
Joined: Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:06 pm

Re: Closing the Egr Valve

Postby GLX-R Alex on Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:21 pm

Now looking at the PDF of the engine manual i saw there would be a couple of places where it would be possible to blank off the egr valve, Maybe further up the pipework would be more inconspicuous. What about the valve itself, There might be an easyer way to make it innoperable and remain closed without doing anything like changing the pipe gasket. Im gona look right into this one when i pick up my new truck.
User avatar
GLX-R Alex
 
Posts: 504
Joined: Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:06 pm

Re: Closing the Egr Valve

Postby chicksdigcam on Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:06 pm

Hey Alex why don't you make a few and sell them. I'll have one!
chicksdigcam
 
Posts: 9
Joined: Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:29 pm

Re: Closing the Egr Valve

Postby hicko on Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:19 pm

I’ve had my EGR blanked off for a while now and I do have a Smart Gauge which will monitor any engine faults. The engine fault light does comes on and go off every now and then but that was happening before I blanked off the EGR valve and it comes up as a MAP which is a Manifold Air Pressure fault which has something to do with the sensor in the upper manifold. I have a service due soon so I will get that seen to then. I made a blank off plate from the same material that the OME one was made from and you can’t tell the difference.
Remember we do not inherit the earth from our ancestors
We borrow it from our children

My best day at work is still not as good as my worse day fishing
“Aren’t you wishing you were fishing “
User avatar
hicko
 
Posts: 117
Joined: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:00 pm
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD

Re: Closing the Egr Valve

Postby boostedbmw on Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:05 am

I blocked mine off at the pipe that goes into the EGR on the manifold and now do have the engine light flick on and off every now and again. I split my gasket in 2 and inserted a 1mm stainless plate between. You can not visually see it fitted.
It's easier to get forgivness than permission.
User avatar
boostedbmw
 
Posts: 297
Joined: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:39 pm
Location: Hervey Bay, Queensland

Re: Closing the Egr Valve

Postby new44 on Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:02 pm

Just wondering if blocking up this engine crankcase vent causes a pressure build up in the engine?
If so, may it cause other seal related problems.
User avatar
new44
 
Posts: 612
Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:26 pm
Location: Victoria

Re: Closing the Egr Valve

Postby snowman on Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:51 am

i agree with these concerns.

monster reckons he just vents his to atmosphere but that seems like a sure way to introduce water and dust in our environments...... :o :o

what about running it through a fuel filter to the atmosphere like we do with diff breathers? obviously this will be easily visible though. from what i knew it was to reintroduce unburnt gases back into the inlet to be reburnt and hence reduce emissions. but are they also a pressure relief system...... where does the EGR return originate from? :?:

can anyone who knows these EGR valve things advise on this topic?
This car is like a bad drug habit. It is taking all my money and time, my family are concerned, but new mods just feel sooooooo good.
User avatar
snowman
Platinum Subscriber
 
Posts: 12031
Joined: Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:59 pm
Location: Toongabbie, NSW

Next

Return to Tips & Tricks

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests